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	<title>Comments on: International Hunter Derby An Exciting New Event</title>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutley love this article. I&#039;m an eventer and always had trouble understanding how todays modern hunter shows related to Foxhunting, other than having a well mannered horse with proper form over fences. This is reassuring that I&#039;m not the only one wondering the same thing. I also do a few hunter shows on the side, it helps me control my show-jumping rounds at events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutley love this article. I&#8217;m an eventer and always had trouble understanding how todays modern hunter shows related to Foxhunting, other than having a well mannered horse with proper form over fences. This is reassuring that I&#8217;m not the only one wondering the same thing. I also do a few hunter shows on the side, it helps me control my show-jumping rounds at events.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would kill for this to come to Oklahoma. My horse happens to have a lot of... er... spunk, shall we say? Haha! But he&#039;s a quarter horse and they won&#039;t stand for it at AQHA shows. I just saw this and told my mom this is what Loner and I need to be doing. Definitely going to try to get some put on here so my horse can actually be appreciated for once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would kill for this to come to Oklahoma. My horse happens to have a lot of&#8230; er&#8230; spunk, shall we say? Haha! But he&#8217;s a quarter horse and they won&#8217;t stand for it at AQHA shows. I just saw this and told my mom this is what Loner and I need to be doing. Definitely going to try to get some put on here so my horse can actually be appreciated for once.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spend my time back and forth between Ireland and the US, fox hunting in both  
countries but showing the &quot;Workers&quot; in Ireland and England. We Americans have a long way to go to with our Hunter Derby to get to the standards of the bigger shows in those countries. I&#039;ve seen some Hunter Derby&#039;s here in the US and I still see lunged to-near-death horses, ridden by professionals, counting their way around an arena. Where are the Devil&#039;s Dykes? I haven&#039;t seen any of these FAT Warmbloods really gallop yet. Are they able? 

I truly hope things change over here. If the Hunter Derby dosen&#039;t spice it up a bit it will never be of International caliber. The countries where fox hunting originated are really having a good laugh at us. As well they should!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spend my time back and forth between Ireland and the US, fox hunting in both<br />
countries but showing the &#8220;Workers&#8221; in Ireland and England. We Americans have a long way to go to with our Hunter Derby to get to the standards of the bigger shows in those countries. I&#8217;ve seen some Hunter Derby&#8217;s here in the US and I still see lunged to-near-death horses, ridden by professionals, counting their way around an arena. Where are the Devil&#8217;s Dykes? I haven&#8217;t seen any of these FAT Warmbloods really gallop yet. Are they able? </p>
<p>I truly hope things change over here. If the Hunter Derby dosen&#8217;t spice it up a bit it will never be of International caliber. The countries where fox hunting originated are really having a good laugh at us. As well they should!</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://www.regardinghorses.com/2008/06/11/217/comment-page-1/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OnTheBit - true, the calm, well-behaved horse is what the current hunter classes are all about. I think this is an attempt to blend the current hunter style with the original hunt field. The key difference between the jumpers and the hunter derby is that the horses in the derby aren&#039;t competing for time and no faults; they are still being judged on proper hunter form over the fences. It&#039;s the in between fences that&#039;s different. You bring up a good point though - there is so much politics in horse showing! 

GreyHorseMatters - It will be interesting to see where it goes over the next few years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OnTheBit &#8211; true, the calm, well-behaved horse is what the current hunter classes are all about. I think this is an attempt to blend the current hunter style with the original hunt field. The key difference between the jumpers and the hunter derby is that the horses in the derby aren&#8217;t competing for time and no faults; they are still being judged on proper hunter form over the fences. It&#8217;s the in between fences that&#8217;s different. You bring up a good point though &#8211; there is so much politics in horse showing! </p>
<p>GreyHorseMatters &#8211; It will be interesting to see where it goes over the next few years!</p>
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		<title>By: GreyHorseMatters</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreyHorseMatters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with (jme) and everything she said. There is so much wrong with the lifeless hunter classes we have today, I&#039;m afraid it has turned into a division of riders who just want to ride the numbers and it is boring to me. I&#039;ve done mostly equitation divisions at least you have to think a little bit about what you are doing. These new hunter classes would be fun and more challenging than what we have now, I just hope in all their wisdom the powers that be don&#039;t screw it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with (jme) and everything she said. There is so much wrong with the lifeless hunter classes we have today, I&#8217;m afraid it has turned into a division of riders who just want to ride the numbers and it is boring to me. I&#8217;ve done mostly equitation divisions at least you have to think a little bit about what you are doing. These new hunter classes would be fun and more challenging than what we have now, I just hope in all their wisdom the powers that be don&#8217;t screw it up.</p>
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		<title>By: OnTheBit</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnTheBit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay call me crazy but isn&#039;t the point of having a hunter so that your horse does not show spirit? That might just be ignorance talking but a nice hunter seems to be the horse that is always calm and never throws there head. That seems like jumpers with little fences and politics to me. More power to it though if it can get you in the show ring :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay call me crazy but isn&#8217;t the point of having a hunter so that your horse does not show spirit? That might just be ignorance talking but a nice hunter seems to be the horse that is always calm and never throws there head. That seems like jumpers with little fences and politics to me. More power to it though if it can get you in the show ring <img src='http://www.regardinghorses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faith - Me too! I was already planning to get back to the show ring, but now I have a new goal!

JME - I&#039;m looking forward to seeing if the Hunter Derby lends more credibility to American Hunters. I certainly hope so! I prefer to ride a horse with a little bit of spirit, and I love a challenge, so I&#039;m thrilled about this development. I agree, I&#039;m all about promoting real horsemanship. 

For anyone also in the Northeast Ohio area, I just found out that there will be a $10,000 International Hunter Derby class held at the Chagrin Valley Hunter Jumper Classic on Saturday, July 19 at 6:00 pm. I&#039;ll be going (and dragging the hubby!). See it on http://www.clevelandgrandprix.com/3.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faith &#8211; Me too! I was already planning to get back to the show ring, but now I have a new goal!</p>
<p>JME &#8211; I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing if the Hunter Derby lends more credibility to American Hunters. I certainly hope so! I prefer to ride a horse with a little bit of spirit, and I love a challenge, so I&#8217;m thrilled about this development. I agree, I&#8217;m all about promoting real horsemanship. </p>
<p>For anyone also in the Northeast Ohio area, I just found out that there will be a $10,000 International Hunter Derby class held at the Chagrin Valley Hunter Jumper Classic on Saturday, July 19 at 6:00 pm. I&#8217;ll be going (and dragging the hubby!). See it on <a href="http://www.clevelandgrandprix.com/3.html">http://www.clevelandgrandprix.com/3.html</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: jme</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for this post!  i&#039;ve been suggesting this for years, and i&#039;m glad it&#039;s finally getting support in the h/j community.  

it’s hard to get a feel for this indoors, as this is something that really needs to be done on a big outside course, but it&#039;s interesting.  i’d like to see even more challenging courses ridden at a real hunting pace.  maybe that will come in time.  but this is a start.  this is the way working hunters are still shown in the uk and other parts of the world, and they rightfully mock the farce we call our &#039;working hunter&#039; divisions as, compared to the courses they have to ride, it&#039;s anything but....  as anyone who has hunted in the field will attest, there is nothing even remotely hunter-related about our current showring standards.  

sadly, the motivation for this new division was, of course, money. the last thing we need in the industry is more so-called &#039;top&#039; riders seeking sponsorships.  but nonetheless, it may be what it takes to breathe some life back into the showring in this country and make it harder for all of these mediocre horsemen to buy their way into the ribbons with expensive, automated horses ‘doing the numbers’ over rote courses - and it will hopefully stop rewarding the unethical practices of some trainers trying to keep their hunters looking as lifeless (quiet) as possible.   i&#039;m hoping something like this will help separate the wheat from the chaff and promote REAL horsemanship again.  of course, that may be asking a bit much, but it’s something to hope for.  

I’ll also be curious to see whether pelhams/full bridles will become acceptable again in practice, or just in theory, since most of our judges seem not to understand their purpose or proper use and have penalized riders heavily for using them (when, as in dressage, they are required in some advanced hunter classes abroad.)  but this is definitely and interesting development.  as someone who left the hunter ring for the field, this is a hunter class I would actually like to compete in.  it’s more interesting and rewarding for the rider – and one has to think, much more fun for the horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this post!  i&#8217;ve been suggesting this for years, and i&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s finally getting support in the h/j community.  </p>
<p>it’s hard to get a feel for this indoors, as this is something that really needs to be done on a big outside course, but it&#8217;s interesting.  i’d like to see even more challenging courses ridden at a real hunting pace.  maybe that will come in time.  but this is a start.  this is the way working hunters are still shown in the uk and other parts of the world, and they rightfully mock the farce we call our &#8216;working hunter&#8217; divisions as, compared to the courses they have to ride, it&#8217;s anything but&#8230;.  as anyone who has hunted in the field will attest, there is nothing even remotely hunter-related about our current showring standards.  </p>
<p>sadly, the motivation for this new division was, of course, money. the last thing we need in the industry is more so-called &#8216;top&#8217; riders seeking sponsorships.  but nonetheless, it may be what it takes to breathe some life back into the showring in this country and make it harder for all of these mediocre horsemen to buy their way into the ribbons with expensive, automated horses ‘doing the numbers’ over rote courses &#8211; and it will hopefully stop rewarding the unethical practices of some trainers trying to keep their hunters looking as lifeless (quiet) as possible.   i&#8217;m hoping something like this will help separate the wheat from the chaff and promote REAL horsemanship again.  of course, that may be asking a bit much, but it’s something to hope for.  </p>
<p>I’ll also be curious to see whether pelhams/full bridles will become acceptable again in practice, or just in theory, since most of our judges seem not to understand their purpose or proper use and have penalized riders heavily for using them (when, as in dressage, they are required in some advanced hunter classes abroad.)  but this is definitely and interesting development.  as someone who left the hunter ring for the field, this is a hunter class I would actually like to compete in.  it’s more interesting and rewarding for the rider – and one has to think, much more fun for the horse.</p>
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		<title>By: faith</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that looks like so much fun! makes me think about getting back into the show ring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that looks like so much fun! makes me think about getting back into the show ring.</p>
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